High speed train crash in Spain NOT POSSIBLE

Jim Stone, July 25, updated July 26, 2013


CONFIRMED: Rail system had automatic speed control which would prevent ANY train traveling on it from approaching the turn at that speed.

ASFA RAIL SPEED SYSTEM IN SPAIN FORCES AUTOMATED FULL STOP OF ANY TRAIN OPERATED OVER SPEED AND WILL STOP A TRAIN EVEN AGAINST THE OPERATORS WILL Of course, the media is focusing on how the train’s engineer said “he screwed it up” after the crash, and are lying and misrepresenting his facebook account which shows a picture of a train speedometer with a reading over 200 KM/h, but if the trains are designed to do that anyway as a normal matter of course, that’s just a stab at the minds of people who do not know this. The media is also playing the mind game of mentioning the newest speed control system, and implying the reason for the crash was because the speed control system was not the most modern, but the ASFA speed control system this train was under the control of was perfectly adequate and absent getting hacked would never have allowed this crash.


After reading the media reports it is easy to see the misleading quotes which add up to a lie, and the bottom line is that this train crash CLEARLY WAS NOT POSSIBLE, outside of willful intent from someone not on the train. My original post follows

With modern computerized controls installed on trains nowadays, it has long been impossible to go 115 mph around a 50 mile an hour turn. That is exactly what happened in Spain, so we are definitely looking at a control system attack or virus attack as the cause of the crash.

It was an extremely luxurious train of the type that would be carrying important political people and high executives from various companies, and a large number of very important people from the upper levels of the Catholic Church were aboard. The train was only one year old and had the latest computerized controls, which would never have permitted the train to be driven in a way that would cause this crash. This was a case of “boston brakes” with this train.

In the initial Mexican broadcasts, they had pictures of a high level figure who got killed in the crash on the television, but when I saw it there was a torrential downpour with thunder while I was eating at a taco stand under a tarp seeing it on a cheap TV and I could not hear who it was that got killed because the rain was too loud. The subsequent nightly newscast mentioned nothing about it. But someone very high up got killed in that crash. Now I cannot find anything about who it was on the web. No doubt that will be heavily censored.

I have absolutely no doubt that the train crash was an intentional and successful assassination attempt and if anyone doubts they would hijack and crash a train the way they did Hastings, what about all the suspicious plane crashes, where hundreds of people get killed just because one target was aboard?

What about 9/11?

Commuter trains have had computer controlled speed regulation for over 20 years. Though it may be possible to crash them by putting opposite traveling trains on the same track, having one train go over twice the speed it should be on a stretch of track is not possible. The computers on the train will know where the train is and how fast it is going and prohibit the train from being operated over the max speed for where it is on the track. In Mexico City, the 20 year old subway trains cannot be driven over speed and have the entire course the train will travel under computer control with the operators in a supervisory position, unable to make the train go any faster than it should. The Boston subway is the same, even the older lines are speed regulated. In Vancouver B.C., the skytrain does not even have an operator aboard AT ALL, the trains are 100 percent computer driven and controlled, and even that system, which is fully automatic is getting close to 20 years old now. Trains are really easy to have full automation on, because the tracks do the steering and GPS and speed sensors do the rest.

So with this train we are looking at either a hack or a Stuxnet type virus attack, and though I saw one report that said the driver was driving the train that fast, I doubt it. Not with something that modern, which was a high class luxury bullet train to boot. Most likely he was watching the sharp turn approach with horror and a dead stick.

Now the job is to find out who was on that train that made it worth hacking and crashing.







Spain train crash driver ‘does not understand’ why he was speeding

The driver of the train that crashed last week in Spain’s worst rail accident for decades has told an investigating magistrate that he “does not understand” why he did not brake in time to prevent the disaster.

The Spanish newspaper El País has published a transcript of a key part of the interview carried out on Sunday by investigators with 52-year-old Francisco Garzon.

79 people died when the train from Madrid to Ferrol in Galicia crashed near the station at Santiago de Compostela on 24 July.

According to the Madrid daily, the recording of the interview reveals a man “completely downcast by the event”.

The driver is asked what he was thinking about before entering the tunnel just before the curve in the track where the train derailed.

“I don’t know, I wish I knew… The stigma that I will carry for life is enormous,” Garzon replies.

Pressed on what was going on in his mind, the driver insists: “Your honour, I’m telling you honestly that I don’t know, I’m not so mad as not to brake.”

The conversation moves on to the fatal few seconds as the train went into the curve.

“Did you activate the brake at any moment?” asks the magistrate.

“When it (the crash) was already inevitable,” he replies, explaining that he applied all the brakes. Speaking in the present tense, and repeating himself as if reliving the event, he continues: “In the curve now I can see, I can see that I’m not going to make it, I can see that I’m not going to make it.”

Later, when Garzon acknowledges the train was travelling at between 180 and 190 kilometres an hour, the investigating magistrate Luis Alaez asks him why he did not slow down.

“I can’t give an explanation for it, I don’t understand, as I didn’t see it.”

The judge points out that the driver was travelling at well above the authorised speed for four minutes: “At the entrance to the tunnels you don’t realise and you don’t slow down.”

“When I realise, it’s that there are more tunnels and I can see that calmly but no, no, no…” Garzon replies.

According to El País, the driver did not mention to investigators that he had been talking on the phone at the time of the crash.

Following the interview, analysts said data from the recorders – the so-called black boxes – recovered from the wreckage revealed that the driver was talking on the phone at the time of the accident.

The state train operator Renfe had called him minutes beforehand to discuss planned movements once the train arrived at its destination at Ferrol.

Investigators said analysis of the conversation and background noise suggested the driver might also have been consulting a map or another document.

The section of track where the accident happened has an authorised speed limit of 80 kilometres an hour. The black boxes are said to have revealed that the train had been travelling at 192 km/h for several kilometres prior to the crash, and that after the driver braked the train then came off the rails at 153 km/h.

The investigation is also probing whether the train, the tracks or the security system that slows down the trains may also have been at fault. The section of track where the crash happened lacked an automatic protection system, present on most high-speed lines.

Francisco Garzon, an experienced train driver, has been provisionally charged with “79 acts of homicide through negligence”. He was freed from custody under judicial supervision and his passport has been withdrawn.

Dozens of injured passengers remain in several hospitals around Santiago de Compostela, with 15 in a critical condition.

2 Responses to High speed train crash in Spain NOT POSSIBLE

  1. veritas 02/08/2013 at 10:27 #

    Interesujacy artykul. Teraz nalezy poznac jakie wazne osoby byly w tym pociagu. Kto byl celem zamachu na zycie.

  2. KSC 02/08/2013 at 10:49 #

    Możliwe, ze tam był ktoś kogo chciano zgładzić lub nawet była to jakaś grupa, którą chciano zaatakować.
    Ale raczej chodzi tu o globalny terroryzm:
    -- Hiszpania -- pociąg
    -- Włochy -- autobus
    -- Szwajcaria -- pociągi
    -- Grecja -- bomba w restauracji.

    To w ciągu paru dni., a ile takich zamachów się nie udało o nic o nich nie wiemy?


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